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Jihad in Small Town America

Somebody I can’t recall at the Life, Liberty, Property community deserves credit for leading me to this.

This article describing an Atlanta-area Islamic Center is nothing like the Vacation Bible School I help out with. Excerpts can’t do it justice, but:

(The Imam) ranted for around 10 minutes about the “kafirs” and how the ambition of these unbelievers used the name of Christ to work with the Zionists to kill all of the Muslims in the world.

Allah in fact hated them so much that at one point he turned all the Jews into pigs and monkeys.

He reminded the children that the goal of every Christian and Jew was to kill every single Muslim, even the tiny babies.

In the Kindergarten and First Grade class:

She told the kids how to determine when it was appropriate to shout “Allah Akbar”: intimes of great joy, when someone is martyred, or when the Zionists or Kafirs are attacked. She introduced a video, in Arabic, showing scenes from the West Bank, and told the kids to shout “Allah Akbar” when they thought they should.

The kids quickly got the message that when something blew up, or an Israeli soldier was shot that they should shout Allah Akbar. I expressed my concern to Tiffani about children so young being exposed to such violent scenes. Tiffani/Amina assured me that the kids had been watching similar videos since they were two years old, and that they weren’t disturbed in the slightest by them.

On the playground:

the boys were playing jihad. … The loser had to pretend he was an American airplane flying around, and then the other boys pretended to attack it by throwing Nerf balls. The “airplane” fell to the ground, and the other boys pounced on it. The “airplane” turned into a pilot and the boys “captured” him. They stood him against a wall, and formed a pretend firing squad. Instead of toy guns, the boys used their multifunctional Nerf balls to execute their prisoner, all the while yelling “Allah Akbar”.

I noticed one boy standing … watching the other boys intently. I asked him, in English, what he was doing.

His answer? “I’m the camera man. I’m taping them.”

The religion of peace.

Update: It was just pointed out that this is both timeless and applicable.

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  1. ayyash said,

    May 11, 2006 @ 1:05 am

    Hello
    I just would like to draw your attention, that your post as most of the posts I have read through out the past few years (specifically after September 11), reflect single sided point of view. Unfortunately, it is not easy to fight all the western world since, YES, they have a dilemma called “arrogance.” The Israeli schools teach their kids things that are worse that what you have described, I don’t see anyone talking about it. Well we do know them at this side of earth (Jordan), how come you don’t? It amazes me how little the American people know about what goes on at this side of the globe.
    I am not saying what those kids are being taught is right, but what do you expect? You fight a whole nation (the Islamic nation) based on a single event that does not seem to us anyhow connected to Islam or Moslems. What those people are doing is mere reaction. Come to Jordan for once and see how much America is hated, you are going to consider that school just moderate in its hatred. I am Jordanain, and yes I hate the US government, but I hold no grudges against the American people, nor any other Jordanian does, you should consider the difference between our reaction and yours, towards what we did to you, versus what you did to us… Truth is, we didn’t do it to each other, somebody else did.
    One last thing, poeple mistakingly think the word “Islam” means peace in Arabic, Islam means Submission, Salam means peace, although they sound like each other, they have totally different roots.
    Salam, is the greeting first used by Moslems.
    Islam is the religion of “peace of mind and soul,” if it takes us to fight for that, we will, we have to, just like you sent your whole army to take what is not yours believing you are buying your peace of mind. Whatever gave you the right? We are a whole nation and Islam has enough ruling to make it happen, why do you not wish us to carry it on? Don’t tell me because its causing harm to the rest of the world, palestinians lived under cruel occupation for 40 years before they decided to fight, so now they are evil?!

  2. Dave said,

    May 11, 2006 @ 10:35 am

    ayyash, first I want to thank you for your response. You and I are going to disagree on many points, but your tone was much better than I often see.

    First, I would draw your attention to the very next item I posted, linking with approval to an article on Dr. Ahmed Abaddi of Morocco. I reject your ’single sided point of view’ description. I condemn barbarians and salute civilization, as do most people.

    it is not easy to fight all the western world since, YES, they have a dilemma called “arrogance.”

    It is a great arrogance to presume to be superior to all other people in the earth, to be the natural ruling class that should never bow to others, even to have a manifest destiny to rule all others. The arrogance of the Jihadis is far beyond any arrogance of the West.

    The Israeli schools teach their kids things that are worse that what you have described, I don’t see anyone talking about it.

    Links? Documentation? Reliable witnesses?

    I am not saying what those kids are being taught is right

    Good. There is no possible justification for that kind of teaching. It is an indoctrination of lies, intended only to increase hate.

    You fight a whole nation (the Islamic nation) based on a single event that does not seem to us anyhow connected to Islam or Moslems.

    There is no single, whole Islamic nation. There is a wish for one, but it doesn’t exist. There is no single event. There is a long history of criminal violence performed by muslims, supported by muslims and Islamic imams, approved by muslims and Islamic imams, cheered by muslims and Islamic imams and defended by muslims and Islamic imams. It seems to me that there is a connection in this between the violence and the muslims and Islamic imams.

    Come to Jordan for once and see how much America is hated

    I can see it already. And I recognize it as just what that school is teaching. Hatred based on lies and fueled by ignorance. Why don’t you come to America and see how little that hatred is returned. Jordan is pitied for it’s barbaric leaders, it’s ignorance, and it’s hatred, it is not hated in return.

    I am Jordanain, and yes I hate the US government, but I hold no grudges against the American people, nor any other Jordanian does

    As an American, I also dislike a lot of the US Government. But when Jordanian people conspire to kill American people, I think you are overly optimistic when you say that there are no ‘grudges’ held by any other Jordanian.

    Islam is the religion of “peace of mind and soul,” if it takes us to fight for that, we will, we have to,

    If you think that the road to inner peace is achieved by blowing up school buses or killing uninvolved civilians, then I can only pray for you and others who hold such beliefs. It seems obvious to me that this path is marked out by Satan and not by God. I hope you see so as well, before it is too late.

    you sent your whole army to take what is not yours

    It was a small fraction of our army, we didn’t need the whole thing, and we took nothing. Hundreds of thousands of muslims are alive today that would have been killed by Saddam’s evil regime, many more than the number who have died since then. Iraq is ruled today by Iraqis IN SPITE OF the efforts of it’s neighboring Islamic nations, sending in their armies to kill Iraqi muslims.

    Whatever gave you the right?

    A little thing known as the rule of law, as practiced by civilized nations, and exemplified by UN resolutions.

    why do you not wish us to carry it on? Don’t tell me because its causing harm to the rest of the world

    No, because it is causing harm to your people and to their souls.

    palestinians lived under cruel occupation for 40 years before they decided to fight, so now they are evil?!

    Israel was established in 1948. Jordan and Palestine cooperated with other nations in 1967 to attack Israel. Other attacks occurred even before then. 40 years? Learn some real history, not just the one-sided indoctrination that passes for arguments.

    They are evil because they call for, support, and do their best to carry out genocide. They are evil because they are afraid to fight in uniform as a real soldier does, and kill women and children who have nothing to do with the policies of the nation instead of fighting armed men. They are barbarians because they refuse to come to any settlement short of driving all of Israel into the sea.

    They are most to be called out when they attempt to corrupt other nations, nations that have welcomed them with open arms, by teaching and spreading their lies and hatred within that nation, destroying the culture of their host. The kind of Islam practiced in that school, is a very rude guest in any host nation, and should be thrown out. Would be thown out, except that civilized people will tolerate a lot of rudeness before taking action.

    It is my sincere hope that this description does not apply to you or to most Jordanians. My own hope for eventual peace is based on my belief that most muslims want peace and freedom in the same way that most everyone else wants them. My fear is that most muslims may want to hold on to their hatred more than they want to have peace.

    Love is from God.
    Hate is from Satan.

  3. ayyash said,

    May 12, 2006 @ 8:08 am

    Alright, just let me start by saying, what you have said, I have heard over a 1000 times, and here is just a response:
    - Jihad people: whomever they are, have immerged only recently, the Jewish state was officially there since 1948, so I can only assume Jihad is only a reaction…

    - Links? Documentation? Reliable witnesses:
    I can only say what I have already said, people in USA are so blinded from the truth it amazes me, okay lets not call it truth, lets say the news bulk you receive is only 10% fraction of what we daily see and read in our lives. It shocked me when Opera Wenfry once asked the question to a politician (I dont know who he was because I dont care about politicians anywhere): were the american media in agreement not to tell the poeple about the 100,000 dead iraqis versus 2000 americans? see, I have been once to the USA, and I did watch the news there, when someone else driven my attention that the American media DOES NOT display any news that might hurt the Jewish lobby… I still remember that little kid (Mohammed al Dorra) who was shot in his fathers hands by israelis and caught on camera and amazingly found way to the American media, it was all over the world, a shame on the Jewish state… well guess what, it wasnt really a shock to us, Aljazeerah sometimes spills the beans (http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/b17.asp?offset=). So that settles it, two incidents like that and now we are sure you do not get the same dose of news… lucky you i must say!

    - “There is no single, whole Islamic nation. There is a wish for one, but it doesn’t exist. There is no single event. There is a long history of criminal violence performed by muslims”
    Well that nation did exist for the past 1400 years, we want it back now, is that so wrong? Islam makes us one, not necessarily one political state, but one union, and right now, there is not one islamic country, not even Saudi Arabia which is invaded by their own leaders, they dont even pray or fast, so this is a fact I guess you never heard of, but yes mister, the islamic world is under occupation, and that is our delimma: not seeing our enemy, lots of arabs praise their own countries thinking they are being patriotic, the borders created between arab countries are bogus borders, but have you ever heard of the technique “sepearte them, rule them” or “if you cant convince them, confuse them”?
    Althoug I must say, I am not blaming anybody for the problems I have, but at least grant me the right to fight agaist an unseen untouched enemy!
    As for the events, first of all, lots of people did lots of others lots of wrong actions, naming the mischiefs of one group does not diminish the mischiefs of another, what the American did in Iraq alone sums up to all what the Moslems (or so called Moslems) do in the past 20 years… so lets not point fingures, but the question is, who assigned the US government to be the worlds police? without the US intervention, we did live happily before didnt we? why can’t the US just back off and let us, the poor people, fight the enemies we already have? thats what bugs me, the US is not making it any easier you know…

    -”Jordan is pitied for it’s barbaric leaders, it’s ignorance,”
    funny, I thought Jordan was considered a “strategic alliance in the area.” but you are dead right, we deserve pitty.

    -”If you think that the road to inner peace is achieved by blowing up school buses or killing uninvolved civilians”
    See? That’s exactly what I referred to when I said I read this a 1000 times, what makes you think it’s Islamic behavior? It’s not fair! I’m moslem, I know what Islam is, we don’t blow up buses! but again, an unseen enemy at work! If you are referring to the events in Palestine, I think the Palestinians have got enough of their troubles to be listening to anyone about this issue, try living their lives for once? You know what I beleive? and this is not necessarily Islamic nor represents any other but myself: any Jewish settler who has given him or herself the right to invade a land that does not belong to him and kick out their original inhabitants, has lost the right to live, he is no longer a civilian, at least that’s an enemy we can see.

    -”But when Jordanian people conspire to kill American people”
    But we Jordanian ourselves are a victim of these drastic actions, just like America is the victim of Mafia, that does not make a Mafia killing a Jordanain any less international, but it does send us, both of us, into the wrong direction, we should all fight criminals, both Jordanian or American, and trust you me, they both exist and they are both dangerous…

    -”It was a small fraction of our army, we didn’t need the whole thing, and we took nothing”
    that small fraction was deadly enough to us, no you didn’t need the whole thing to ruin the whole area… you did take our peace of mind, you took 100,000 and more Iraqi lives, you took sense of security, and lets not forget OIL. You made an assumption that Saddam Husein was about to kill more, but the fact is he reigned the country for God knows how long, how did you come to this assumption? Don’t get me wrong I hate that man, but liked it or not, everybody now thinks “it may be just a rumor coming out of hatred” that Sadam was implanted by the West itself. And he is not as bad as some others in the Arab world. Some Iraqis nowadys are wishing the days of Sadam come back for at least one day of rest… its a shame on us, the Arab countries, but again I told you, we are fighting an unvisible enemy, and the US butting into it is making it even harded every day, and I don’t think the US wants to be out of it.

    -”A little thing known as the rule of law”
    that makes you no different that the “arrogant” Jihad, and extreme Islamists

    -”No, because it is causing harm to your people and to their souls”
    I told you, we know our problems, let us fight it alone for the sake of God!

    -”Israel was established in 1948″
    and Intifada (rebellion of Palestinain) broke off i n1988, thats 40 years of silence. at least in the occupied region back then. Those fancy wars you heard about, are a real work of SHAME, shame on us! those fights were more like a live show, that ended before they even started… I was referring to the struggle of the poeple inside their homes… those kept in peaceful silence for 40 years before they decided to pick the stones (the only available weapon to then) and started to throw…

    -”They are evil because they are afraid to fight in uniform ”
    Man you got to be joking, Palestinians don’t have access to their basic living resources, not to mention a “unifrom!” Give them a little break, I am telling you, they have reached a mental state that shuts down the whole world around them, becuase poor them! if they listen to the world screaming at them, they would die out of frustration, kind of like that story of two frogs falling into a well, the other frogs keep yelling at them, oh you are doomed, you’re gonna die, dont try to get out, one frog loses faith and stays behind until he dies, the other keeps trying until he actually goes out of the well, when they asked him it turned out he was deaf “or it was deaf :)” that is precisely what’s happening to the Palesinian people, they are trying to focus only to survive the day! The other Moslems working under cover… well again, they do not represent Islam because they have chosen to be under cover, what makes you sure they are Moslem in the first place? Because they claimed to be? Lame! Criminals just like all criminals in the world; are cowards!

    As for spreading lies, every person who does not agree with you is a liar, thats almost universal and human, does that make it so that we are all lying? its subjective, really…

    -”is a very rude guest in any host nation, and should be thrown out”
    You are absolutely correct! In Islam, we have been taught by our Prophet that each should respect the ruling of the country he or she resides in, but of course I do not blame you that you never heard of that teaching because nobody told you, and no Islamic state is there to tell you… it is a shame.
    There are a lot of teachings that you do not know, example? you might be shocked to know my openion about the girls who were not allowed to go to schools in France because they chose to wear the Hijab, I simply think they have thown out a very important teaching of Islam by fighting against it, they should respect the people in France and not wear the Hijab because it is simply a “symbol” to the French, if a moslem woman chooses to cover her hair, then there is a 1000 other ways to do it without the Hijab… see, I am a moslem, why do you refrain from hearing my point of view? not you particularly, it is great to find an American who is open minded to actually allow these postings, but most of the people I face completey respond with literraly insulting and cursing everything I stand for… I do not like that, nobody does. Wrong Fatwa of Moslem Imams (ignorance of Moslems), is another enemy to add to the list of invisible enemies, what a life!
    An unvisible enemy: those holding guns, those holding roses, and those calling themsleves peaceful brothers, and I have to fight
    all of them. Have mercy on me America!
    And mind you, I do not believe in conspiracy theories, can you believe that? I know most of the time its us allowing it to happen to us… breaks my heart!

    Sorry for that “brief” response, I understand if you want to cut it down or not publish at all…

  4. ayyash said,

    May 12, 2006 @ 8:25 am

    would like to refer you to this site:
    http://palestinemonitor.org/factsheet/factsheet.html

  5. Dave said,

    May 12, 2006 @ 1:25 pm

    ayyash, as I said, I expect us to disagree. Most of what you bring up is also not new, and has been addressed many times. We both have our own background and expectations. You think I am ignorant of actual facts, I think that you are as well. With that, I think I can sum up most of the differences.

    Jihad people: whomever they are, have immerged only recently, the Jewish state was officially there since 1948, so I can only assume Jihad is only a reaction

    The term ‘Jihad’ is recent. The violence is both long-standing and unchanging. If only the name has changed, then there is no real difference. Besides, your claim was that the Palestinians were peaceful (non-violent) for 40 years, not that they waited 40 years before calling themselves Jihadists.

    On the issue of teachings in Israeli schools being comparable to what was documented in Atlanta, or even the worse things you said were taught in Jordan, I was looking for some actual references. I don’t see anything in your response on that point.

    100,000 dead iraqis

    That number is based on the extremely flawed Lancet study. It was derived by taking an extremely small number of people, in one small part of a city, asking them how many people they knew were killed, then extrapolating it over the entire population of Iraq without even trying to avoid duplication. Actual numbers are available from many places. One of the least friendly to the Army is Iraq Body Count which when I looked this morning had a maximum of 39296 total over the last three years. As you can see from this Aljazeera article the estimates of civilian casualties range from about 27,000 to 41,000.

    In contrast, the Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq (no direct link but referenced here and here) identified 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq, and 500,000 civilian deaths associated with the Iran-Iraq war during Saddam’s 24 year reign, or about 45,000 per year. This number does not include the number who died due to poor medical treatment, poverty, or other causes directly related to Saddam’s policies, though Aljazeera DOES include such deaths in Iraq in the totals attributed to the war. I think it’s fair to say that there are more Iraqis alive today than would be the case if Iraq had not been invaded.

    the American media DOES NOT display any news that might hurt the Jewish lobby… I still remember that little kid (Mohammed al Dorra) who was shot in his fathers hands by israelis and caught on camera and amazingly found way to the American media

    You do recognize that your example invalidated your premise? A lot of the media does show the violence in Israel. They also avoid showing a lot of the violence committed by Jihadis. In many ways, one more rocket attack, or one more car bomb, just isn’t news any more. It’s just a statistic, one more in an ongoing series of events. Even though it IS a tragedy on a personal level for those involved, it’s too common to matter much on the world stage.

    Well that nation did exist for the past 1400 years, we want it back now, is that so wrong?

    Actually, yes, it is wrong on two levels. The Caliphate is dead. The empire broke apart, was unable to keep up, became corrupt, and died. It is no more valid to try to resurrect it than it would be to attempt to reconstruct the Holy Roman empire. And, do you acknowledge that the Jewish nation of Israel, which also existed in the past, should also be allowed to be reestablished at it’s former borders? I assume not, so why should your desire for rebuilding the Caliphate get any more support than you are willing to give? So it is wrong because you are demanding a priviledge you won’t allow anyone else, and it is wrong because history is the past and you cannot live in it.

    OTOH, if there turns out to be a desire in any one nation, or in a group, to join together because of their common beliefs, I’m all in favor of that. But you’ll have to make your Caliphate from the existing nations, not by conquering someone else.

    Yes, I am fully aware of how the rulers in most nations (Saudi, Egypt, Iran, etc) are not true to their religion. I also expect that the Caliphate will never be achieved, because these people with power will be unable to bend the knee to a single Caliph.

    Doesn’t justify bombing Jews or beheading Christians.

    what makes you think it’s Islamic behavior?

    As I said, because it is “performed by muslims, supported by muslims and Islamic imams, approved by muslims and Islamic imams, cheered by muslims and Islamic imams and defended by muslims and Islamic imams”. If it isn’t Islamic, then you should be objecting to the imams who say it is, not to the people who listen to them and take them at their word.

    any Jewish settler who has given him or herself the right to invade a land that does not belong to him and kick out their original inhabitants, has lost the right to live, he is no longer a civilian

    Which is why a lot of people think that all people who support terrorists are as bad as the terrorists, and are no longer civilians. The very same attitude you just espoused toward Jewish settlers comes back to Palestinians in a way you don’t like, but it is your own attitude that you are objecting to.

    You made an assumption that Saddam Husein was about to kill more, but the fact is he reigned the country for God knows how long, how did you come to this assumption?

    See above. 24 years. 1.1 million killed. God knows how many preventably dead. Not an assumption, observed facts.

    Don’t get me wrong I hate that man, but liked it or not, everybody now thinks “it may be just a rumor coming out of hatred” that Sadam was implanted by the West itself.

    It is undeniable that he was supported at times by the US. In an area of dictators, it is sometimes necessary to work with the least unreasonable one. That doesn’t mean we liked him, or that we ignored his very real flaws.

    And he is not as bad as some others in the Arab world.

    Very true.

    every person who does not agree with you is a liar

    Actually, no. A liar is somebody who says or claims a thing while knowing it is false. People can and do disagree with me without lying. They may be ignorant of facts I have. They may have facts I don’t have. They may have the very same facts but come to a different conclusion. None of these are lies.

    I do not blame you that you never heard of that teaching because nobody told you, and no Islamic state is there to tell you

    But I had heard of it, which is why I posed the discussion in those terms. I was pointing out that those who call themselves muslim are violating the tenets of Islam. But I do not need an Islamic state to tell me what the tenets of Islam are. I am perfectly willing and able to learn from the people who actually practice it.

    you might be shocked to know my openion about the girls who were not allowed to go to schools in France because they chose to wear the Hijab, … if a moslem woman chooses to cover her hair, then there is a 1000 other ways to do it without the Hijab see, I am a moslem, why do you refrain from hearing my point of view?

    I am not shocked, but I am quite pleasantly surprised. You and I have the very same opinion in this case, which I did not expect. You see, I do hear and accept your point of view. I also disagree with you about some facts, but your perspective is interesting and educational.

    another enemy to add to the list of invisible enemies, what a life! An unvisible enemy: those holding guns, those holding roses, and those calling themsleves peaceful brothers, and I have to fight
    all of them. Have mercy on me America!

    In fact, part of the problem is that rather than have mercy and ignore you, many people in America will want to have mercy and help you. But a nation is a clumsy and blunt thing, and help at a national level often winds up making individual problems worse.

    You cite the un-Islamic nature of people who call themselves muslims as a problem, since it gives other people a reason to hate Islam. You are probably aware that there are many un-Christian people who call themselves Christians and give people a reason to hate Christianity. That part of your fight is also mine. I look for the scholars and teachers of Islam that are willing to condemn the violence done in the name of Islam, because these people are my hope for the future. I look for the peaceful people of Islam who will speak out and refute the killers who use Islam as an excuse. I know they’re there.

    Note that I use the term Jihadi to refer to the violent people because I don’t think all of Islam deserves to be associated with them. From here, 1000’s of miles away, it does seem that most of Islam deserves it. I presume that this seeming is false, and is due to the fact that peaceful people rarely make headlines so are rarely seen or heard in any news medium, unlike the violent ones.

  6. ayyash said,

    May 12, 2006 @ 10:56 pm

    All your responses make sense, it may be true the numbers were exaggerated, but we have 2 million Iraqis in Amman, I am telling you what they feel now.
    I still see a huge gap between you and me, the Islamic empire existed peacefully amongst the people and was litterally at the top of the world for a long time. In Spain alone they reigned for 700 prosporous years… it came to an end because they stopped abiding by Islam. Today, the Arab lands belong to us, they belonged to us for the past 100 years at least, we have the full right to carry out whatever rules we want. The British and French drew those bogus lines, invasion! Khelafa is not necesserily required, because there was one khalifa in Islam afterwhich the ruler was named Prince. We can choose anything that fits our Islamic Constitution (and yes there is one). The Jews claimed a land that did not belong to them 100 years ago, thats why I don’t believe your comparison is fair. Palestine still holds palestinians even today, for God’s sake my father was born there. Huge difference. I do not condemn the Jews in the USA, I do not condemn those who “support” terrorists, thats unjust, in Islam you only execute the killer, not his whole family. I condemn the settlers because they kicked out the original inhabitants and pulled the guns against them (yes settlers are supposidly civilians but they hold arm and they have shot Palestinian civilians before, see the link I gave you for a fact sheet). We never tried to invade a land that is not ours for the past 100 years, Israel does not exist in our terminology, that land is still called the west bank of Jordan, and the Palestinian shore, few Jewish settlers coming together suddenly claiming their God knows how old historical right, does not change it. It only means Arabs have the right to claim Spain, Iran and Italy, and the Turks have the right to claim the whole Arab lands! And Christians should confine themselves to the Vatican, and Moslems to Mecca!
    Amazingly, Arabs have fallen into the trap, and that is what troubles people like me, the west was completely successful at “confusing” us. So that brings us back to the point that anyone stopping us from having the reign of Islamic Constitition is an emeny, and they are many!
    you said something that I have never heard before “beheading Christians”, those are the Israelis that do that, we dont have any problems with Christians, and I know Christianity fairly enough, because my best friend is Christian. This is how mingled we are. In fact, many Palestinians who struggle and die are also Christian.

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